There is no practical way to predict in what direction the plastic rod will flex - before, during and after the shot - and in conjunction with the loose slide, voila! Acceptably - but reliably - bit less accuracy. I'm beginning to believe that a SS rod - ala Sevigny - is an awfully inexpensive and simple upgrade for the purposes of reliability, smoothness, consistent function and accordingly, a tad more "fine accuracy". It comes down to tuning the gun to the shooters preference by adding or subtracting weight to the front and reliability.
A SS guiderod will add some weight up front, but there is little evidence that it adds accuracy to a glock. Most shooters do this for the convienience of changing recoil springs, and eliminating any potential for plastic to chip off the back section of the plastic guiderod while shooting. I've seen a few OEM guiderods have a piece chip off the back; it's pretty damn rare though.
I'm pretty sure the hole is there so you can insert a rod the size of a wire coat hanger down through the rod and pop the retainer plug out to swap recoil springs. I know that's what I've used it for. Slide movement; non-issue and what little there is isn't removed by a SS guiderod. Sevigney, Flex, Vogel, etc make long accurate shots because of practice, not guiderods or slide tightening.
There really isn't much you can do, at least along the lines of what you're talking about, to make a Glock more reliable or accurate than it is out of the box. Even if a factory guide rod has a chunk taken out of it almost always because the gun was reassembled improperly it will almost always still run.
Our gunsmiths find them like that in guns that have gone many thousands of rounds without failure. I don't know about any harmonic balance issue, but I have seen super high speed video of Glocks being shot from a Ransom Rest and the guide rod flexes so much it touches the barrel!
No kidding. The frame and slide gap gets so large you can see daylight clearly though it as well, but the guide rod doing the hula is a total trip to watch! They shot the video to determine, exactly what the slide speed was with various duty loads Causative link. Your missing a causative link. Your slide movement observations have no causative link to accuracy of the actual round hitting a target.
Slowly squeezing the trigger and causing. Then only if the sights are lined up before moving the trigger. I doubt your hand can keep. Even if it was the trigger would move the slide the same amount every time and the zero would take that into account. And even if it was relevant the measurement that matters is the relation ship of the barrel to the sights, The frame to slide fit is over rated to accuracy.
The relationship that affects accuracy are the barrel to the sights. In some guns, specifically the Glock a little frame to slide slop doesnt affect the barrel to sights relationship. Tightening the frame on a Glock is some gunsmith appliing what helps on one design to another without taking into account the design differences.
In order to establish a causative link you need to ransom rest or seriously sandbag the guns and fire multiple groups with both guide rods. G'man, I was confident the plastic rod flexes, but the video you cited really opened my eyes! The amount of flex you describe is quite astounding.
And certainly Glock is aware of this. Could it be that this flex is an important design feature? Maybe the qualified observation that "flex is important for harmonic balance" may indeed have some validity. Could it be the flex softens the recoil a bit like special rod designs that add a secondary spring?
Is pounding a problem without it? Joe, your hypothesis that a loose slide has no effect on accuracy is worth examination. On the surface, it sure seems to have merit. It sure isn't at the barrel. But out 25 yards? Correct me if I'm wrong but after dusting off my HS algebra, I come up with 3. Of course that's assuming there isn't a last moment correction for the 0. But do we really need yet another factor to correct at the last moment?
There's a good case to be made for reducing error, assuming reliabilty is maintained. And there are some secondary effects. Some of the top pros do tighten their slides. They believe there is a very minor but real improvement in fine aiming. But that's not all.
Perhaps more importantly, by tightening the slide they get rid of the trigger slop and get a crisper, more controllable break. Result is more and reliable accuracy. It's the same reason trigger polishing improves accuracy. And last we all need to consider the microseconds the bullet spends in a recoiling gun. How does this affect accuracy? Does the heavier rod - SS, and esp. I think we really need to go to school on the Sevigny's, et al.
And if he chose to, he could use this uncaptured, stock plastic rod for all his events. But he doesn't. As soon as the rules allow, the plastic is gone and he changes mostly to SS, and occasionally to tungsten. You can be sure its all about accuracy, consistency, smoothness and reliablility. So it really isn't so simple I think.
And please recall that a simple change to the Arotek SS rod eliminated the play in my newish G I continue to be surprised and pleased by that. I know this: I haven't hurt or damaged this gun by doing so. I am confident it won't break, chip or fail. The play is gone. And if I get some minor improvements to recoil and flip, or a slightly crisper trigger - that's some nice gravy on my Idaho mashed My suggestion is to tweak the G34 all you want but leave the G26 as close to stock as you can. By 45guy Started July By Nemo Started 22 minutes ago.
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You can adjust your cookie settings , otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Do plastic guide rods have any advantages? Followers 2. Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2. Recommended Posts. Lester Weevils Posted July 2, Posted July 2, Link to comment. Lester Weevils Posted July 3, Posted July 3, BigK Posted July 3, K Posted July 3, Lester Weevils Posted July 4, Posted July 4, JAB Posted July 5, Posted July 5, Posted July 7, It really isn't just because of the cost savings for manufacture.
They don't rust They are lighter They are cheaper to replace They are somewhat self lubricating Their flexibility may actually make them a bit more reliable The guide rod on my Beretta is steel. The main advantage of the plastic is cost. Oh Shoot Posted July 7, XD guide rods are steel. An important consideration for the Zombie Apocalypse. Oh Shoot Posted July 8, Posted July 8, Straight Shooter Posted July 8, Well, Ill throw my. Oh, on the Glock Capbyrd Posted July 8, Lester Weevils Posted July 8, Thanks folks for the good ideas.
PS: Wouldnt bother with the aluminum guide rod job. Aluminum is too soft. Straight Shooter Posted July 9, Posted July 9, edited. As Ripley said I accomplish this routinely and care not what others may think. I swear Edited July 9, by Straight Shooter. Edited July 9, by 10mm4me. Posted July 9, The Top 2 Benefits of Using Stainless Steel Rods Stainless steel rods add weight : One of the most significant pros of switching to stainless steel guide rods is the extra weight it adds to the handgun.
Most gun owners like the excess weight because it can reduce the recoil and make shooting the gun more comfortable. Stainless steel rods improve shooting accuracy : The added weight can increase slide speed which will help improve shot accuracy. Most factory guns come with plastic guide rods that are lightweight and can increase the recoil making shots less accurate.
You might also like Training the Beginning Shooter. Benefits of Owning a CZ Handgun. Maintaining Your Sig Sauer P Leave a Reply Want to join the discussion? Feel free to contribute! What it all comes down to is your preference. The gun still functions the same, I haven't had any problems ever before or after since its been changed out. Plastic guide rod is cheap. I always have a few extra some where in my range bag.
I haven't seen any instances where a metal was 'remarkably' superior to an OEM plastic one.. There are pictures of "chipped" plastic guide rods but in reality, the portion that was chewed was not an integral part of the rod. The rod itself was still intact and completely functional. That said, I myself have stainless steel guide rods for my glocks. I do this solely for the ease of changing out the recoil spring. For my G34, I ran a very light recoil spring.
Combine this with shooting rounds a month the recoil spring wears out much faster than normal. The other thing people say is to run something 'heavier' in the front as it helps with recoil and flip.
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